tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28278152.post114891216932815615..comments2023-09-24T08:22:14.199+01:00Comments on Joseph Shaw's Philosophy Blog: When is it permissible to kill in self-defence?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28278152.post-1149018163910115442006-05-30T20:42:00.000+01:002006-05-30T20:42:00.000+01:00Maybe `maliciously' in (A) can be glossed by `culp...Maybe `maliciously' in (A) can be glossed by `culpably', i.e.:<BR/>(A) It is morally permissible to intend to kill someone in self-defence only if that person is culpably intending to kill (or cause grievous bodily harm to) one.<BR/>This rules out the moral permissibility of killing infants, drunks, druggies, the honestly mistaken, and the mad. I think it should rule out killing infants, but shouldn't rule out the other four classes.Daniel Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07823511443088751096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28278152.post-1148914629277270922006-05-29T15:57:00.000+01:002006-05-29T15:57:00.000+01:00Thanks for this, Joseph. I didn't have anything pa...Thanks for this, Joseph. <BR/><BR/>I didn't have anything particularly in mind with my use of 'maliciously'; the idea was that it wouldn't cover legitimate cases of killing intended as such. The hangman might maliciously kill me for his own pleasure as opposed to merely carrying out the judgment of the state.<BR/><BR/>One intentionally kills someone when one performs an action that amounts to killing and one performs that action intentionally, i.e. one intends it under some description or other. Thus the person that chucks me off the plank into the sea has, ipso facto, killed me or, at least, would be accounted to have done such in a court of law. Further this person intended to chuck me off the plank. Since the chucking off the plank was the killing this person intentionally killed me even though he or she didn't intend to kill me.Daniel Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07823511443088751096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28278152.post-1148913605926730012006-05-29T15:40:00.000+01:002006-05-29T15:40:00.000+01:00A couple of points needing immediate clarification...A couple of points needing immediate clarification:<BR/><BR/>Quote: (A) It is morally permissible to intend to kill someone in self-defence only if that person is maliciously intending to kill (or cause grievous bodily harm to) one.<BR/><BR/>What does 'maliciously' mean? What does the attacker's intention need to be to satisfy this criterion?<BR/><BR/>Quote:<BR/>(C) It is morally permissible to intend to kill someone in self-defence only if that person is about intentionally to kill (or cause grievous bodily harm to) one.<BR/><BR/>What does 'intentionally to kill' mean? Again, what does the attacker's intention have to be? Not, apparantly, to kill. To perform an action which is objectively likely to result in death?<BR/><BR/>I suspect my intuitions about the cases aren't going to correspond to yours, but we can come to that later.Joseph Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01082798656205665691noreply@blogger.com